We talked with Jody Jacobson about:
- Common time management and focus challenges financial advisors experience
- Why time management struggles could signal growth, and why it’s essential to sustain success
- Why successful, healthy time management practices are deeply personal — not a one-size-fits-all approach
About Jody Jacobson:
Jody Jacobson, PhD, is the co-founder and CEO of the Human Skills Institute™. As a brain-based consultant, coach, and trainer with over 20 years of experience, she helps financial advisors align their business, marketing, and life strategies to their unique strengths and values so they can sustain long-term growth and experience the joys of creating greater profitability and meaning for their clients and themselves. Whether they want to become an owner-leader, build a higher-functioning team, hire the right people, or stop giving away their time and expertise to the wrong clients, she helps financial services professionals change their mindset and achieve their biggest goals with confidence and ease. Never one-size-fits-all, Jody tailors her approach to each client's unique needs, thinking, workstyles, and goals.
Featured Resources
- The Human Skills Institute
- Jody Jacobson on LinkedIn
- Email Jody for free time management resources or to schedule a complimentary 30-minute call
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Full Audio Transcript:
00:00:00 - 00:07:09
Lauren Hong
Jody, thank you for joining us today.
00:07:12 - 00:10:07
Jody Jacobson
Oh, thank you so much. I'm really excited to be here.
00:10:10 - 00:32:12
Lauren Hong
I'm looking forward to hearing from you and unpacking this topic around time management and strategies. You have a dynamic group background, are talking with FPA Group here in San Diego soon, and have written for Native Advisor magazine. I know the list goes on and on. Why don't I just turn it over to you to share a little bit more about your background and your day-to-day work?
00:32:14 - 00:54:19
Jody Jacobson
Oh well, thank you so much. Firstly, I just want to say I really appreciate you inviting me. I've looked at some of the topics you've had podcasts on and they're not only interesting, they're really spot on, kind of intriguing, and a little bit different. So I'm really looking forward to a fun conversation.
00:54:21 - 01:21:16
Jody Jacobson
So I'm a coach and a consultant. I primarily work with financial advisors and advisory leaders, and much of what I do is helping them invest their time and their mental bandwidth on really high value outcomes. And a lot of this involves helping them make the best decisions for right now and for the future.
01:21:18 - 01:44:15
Jody Jacobson
As a former client of mine once said — I don't know if he made this up but I'll give him credit for it — he believes in making the best decision you can right now and then making it the best decision. And I thought that was absolutely brilliant. And it's a nice way to think about time management.
01:44:18 - 02:09:23
Jody Jacobson
So some of the kinds of things I work with people on are stay or break away. And the first question I ask is have you ever done any marketing to get your own clients. And then it goes on from there. They may want to attract more ideal clients or get the courage to ask for better base pay where they are.
02:10:08 - 02:41:18
Jody Jacobson
They need help managing a change or transition, implementing a succession plan, hiring the right people, and more. And a lot of it really starts with getting super clear about how to spend your time and how to focus and all of that. And I learned a lot of this, of course, through my voluminous academic training, and probably more so just through life experience and from my clients.
02:42:16 - 03:11:20
Jody Jacobson
I've been on my own since I was 18, and I've had lots of different jobs. I've had to juggle my time, working, going to school, getting my degrees. I sort of fell into a career as an internal growth consultant and eventually became a chief information officer building data systems to be able to collect market research, really understand what your clients need and want that’s invaluable.
03:12:16 - 03:33:16
Jody Jacobson
And most leaders are really great at setting, creating goals. Planners are great at planning. And they're also human beings. And so implementing them is a challenge while dealing with everything else. And I've had to juggle a lot of plates in my own life.
03:34:04 - 03:46:28
Jody Jacobson
And so I think I'm pretty good at it, helping people to get clear about what they do and what they really shouldn't be doing and to keep on course with that.
03:47:01 - 04:13:20
Lauren Hong
I really appreciate that because you've had something like a diverse amount of not only work experiences but then the education to pair those together, which I would assume would create a very relatable relationship with those you're working with. You can take more of the academic meets practical route there. So with that, time management — where do we even start, right?
04:13:20 - 04:31:11
Lauren Hong
Because it's one of those things, like what you're saying, where you take your time is a reflection of your business growth, your hiring, your so many things, right? And it's easy to get stuck on something you might just really enjoy doing but you shouldn't be doing.
04:31:12 - 04:53:24
Lauren Hong
So talk to us about that. What are common time management challenges others have? And I know this is not for any title, right? So it can really be a time management challenge if you're the head of a company, owner of a firm, or if you are in a CEO role or a new-hire as an advisor, whoever it might be.
04:56:06 - 05:27:08
Jody Jacobson
That's such a great observation. And a really core principle of time management is forgiving yourself. And it's hard for everybody. I find being really ethical and hardworking is so central to being a great financial planner, especially fiduciary fee-only planners. It's hard to separate personal and professional.
05:27:08 - 05:51:18
Jody Jacobson
And I know we'll talk a little bit more about that. So really, yes, it affects everybody. And if you think you're the only one, I'm saying this: everybody listening, including ourselves, is a reminder. If you think you're the only one who struggles managing time because everybody else looks sort of cool as a cucumber, a lot of us are very good at acting.
05:52:25 - 06:24:04
Jody Jacobson
Acting as if everything is fine when it isn't necessarily so. It's a human. It's a human dilemma. These struggles with time management are really a normal and predictable outcome, especially of growth. So the irony or the paradox of it is if you're struggling with time management, it's possible you're doing a whole lot of things right.
06:24:06 - 06:57:10
Jody Jacobson
You just may be over-pressing yourself to do everything all at once instead of chunking it out and sequencing it. And when there's growth, there's more of everything. There's more everything to manage. More demands, more distractions, more decisions. Just more to do, more to track, more people to coordinate with. So truly mastering time management is a critical success factor for doing almost anything else.
06:57:12 - 07:06:21
Jody Jacobson
And for sustaining growth and success. And there's the Jon Kabat-Zinn book. I have to confess, I didn't read the book but I love the title.
07:07:17 - 07:31:06
Jody Jacobson
I think it's “Wherever You Go, There You Are.” So as you grow to become a firm owner, if you're a founder, if you're an intern, if you're becoming an associate, wherever you go, there you are. This doesn't change.
07:31:08 - 07:33:24
Lauren Hong
Regardless of if you're ready for it or not.
07:33:27 - 07:35:15
Jody Jacobson
Oh, God, are you ever?
07:35:22 - 07:56:27
Lauren Hong
I know. There's a CEO we've worked with — completely started as a small team. Grew the company to over 200 employees, and will look at everybody and say, this is the first time I've ever been the CEO. And I'm still learning too. And I just really appreciated that humbleness and just the reality of where you are, right?
07:56:27 - 08:27:14
Lauren Hong
And being able to be open to that feedback or what have you. So with that, all of us, right? We're trying to climb ladders. We've got personal challenges at home. We might be juggling little ones, aging parents, so many things you know and/or interfere with people's lives. How do you draw that boundary — the time management — between home and and also the day-to-day?
08:29:15 - 08:56:14
Jody Jacobson
So for those of us who do work we really love, it's hard to draw the boundary because you want to be able to pour yourself into your work. And in your work it can be very creative and it can occupy other aspects of life. I think the real key is to have a way of always knowing what to focus on.
08:56:16 - 09:24:03
Jody Jacobson
And always vetting your time. I have two wonderful questions I love for that — one I learned when I worked a lot with quality improvement and the other I just sort of made up. So there's a fabulous question. It's called the so what question? So if you're clear about what you want to accomplish and you know why you want to accomplish it, there's a metaphor for that.
09:24:03 - 09:34:15
Jody Jacobson
It's about making sure at all times your ladder is pointed against the right wall because you climb up that ladder and basically you can get somewhere but it's not where you wanted to get to.
09:34:16 - 09:35:09
Lauren Hong
Yes, yes.
09:35:11 - 10:06:29
Jody Jacobson
It's just like numbers. You can crunch numbers and you could pass a test crunching all the numbers. But if they're irrelevant, you've wasted all your time crunching the numbers, that kind of thing. So always being very clear about so what? Why am I doing this? And then the other question I like to add has a little bit to do with ego: why am I doing this? Am I trying to prove something to somebody?
10:06:29 - 10:07:14
Lauren Hong
That's right.
10:07:15 - 10:11:20
Jody Jacobson
Do you really need to be doing that?
10:11:20 - 10:12:13
Lauren Hong
What’s the bigger picture?
10:13:10 - 10:39:14
Jody Jacobson
Yeah. And it doesn't matter. Or does it matter now. Will it matter soon or might it never matter. Because if you set really good goals and you take a really systemic kind of approach to those goals, chances are if you know how to prioritize the goals — I'm always helping my clients do that.
10:39:14 - 10:54:29
Jody Jacobson
What if I solve this one issue or if I do this one thing, what other five or 10 other problems is it going to solve for me that I don't have to then spend my time on?
10:55:01 - 11:18:12
Lauren Hong
Yes, yes. So so brilliant. It makes me think of Gantt charts. You've got the critical pathway to success, right? If we do this, it's going to move the needle and push all these other things this way. But what is that actual critical pathway for decision-making? So then how do you make sure you align strategic efforts, manpower, resources, so on and so forth, to that objective?
11:18:14 - 11:48:14
Jody Jacobson
Exactly. So there's the what will it take question. And you know what has gotten you there in the past. I have some methods for identifying how to approach a similar task with skills that have worked for you before because we all have certain personality preferences, thinking style preferences, work style preferences.
11:48:19 - 11:58:24
Jody Jacobson
A lot of people have taken the Kolbe, CliftonStrengths, Myers-Briggs. Whenever I start with a client, I give them a whole battery of that stuff.
11:58:28 - 12:13
Lauren Hong
That's great.
12:15 - 12:17:22
Jody Jacobson
Because then you know what's going to work for one person for time management isn't going to work for another. And that's my big issue with a lot of the books that have been written on time management. I find they're helpful for people who are already sort of good at it, want to get better at it.
12:19:06 - 12:44:06
Jody Jacobson
But the thing is that issues with time management sit there sort of like the tip of the iceberg of a whole bunch of structural and personality dynamics. And if you just approach time management from a time management method that some guru has proposed and then it doesn't work for you, it's sort of like dieting.
12:44:12 - 13:11:23
Jody Jacobson
Time management is a lot like dieting. And time management books are a lot like diet books now. Yeah, you may disagree with me about that. And if you found something that works for you, I'm all for it. The thing is so many planners who perpetually struggle with this have just never found the system that really suits their way of learning, their way of thinking, the culture of the firm they're in, their clients, and all of that.
13:12:02 - 13:31:04
Jody Jacobson
So it's really important to understand what works for you. Because just like with diet and with exercise and other important habits, the best thing to do is what works.
13:31:06 - 13:54:01
Lauren Hong
So it's interesting. We see inside the C-suite a lot, as you do. And in the example I was giving earlier about that CEO who would say, okay, guys, this is my first time doing this, is also the same person from a time management perspective that I've seen no questions asked.
13:54:01 - 14:17:07
Lauren Hong
Dropping the kids off to school, being there for soccer practice. These things are critical from a value perspective. So it's sort of asking the question earlier about that personal-professional. And so I think to your point, there's not a one-size-fits-all formula. I'm sure part of it is like coming down to what's your personal type, what are your values, that sort of thing.
14:17:14 - 14:30:06
Lauren Hong
I’d love to hear a little bit more about how you work through that process to find the right fit for someone to help and how do I say, create that architecture for their time management?
14:30:08 - 14:46:19
Jody Jacobson
Oh, beautiful. Beautiful question. If you could indulge me, let me just mention a few of the kinds of struggles I see planners having with time management and then come back. If that’s okay.
14:46:22 - 14:47:24
Lauren Hong
That would be fine.
14:47:26 - 15:10:03
Jody Jacobson
Okay. So one of the things that happens is everybody wants more clients. And a lot of people will lead with marketing and they get more clients but they haven't built the infrastructure to be able to serve those clients. They don’t have the staffing. And so they're really not ready for it.
15:10:19 - 15:43:15
Jody Jacobson
And that creates chaos. And what ends up happening frequently, more often than you would think, is that's the point where people quit. Because nobody likes to work in a chaotic, disorganized firm; just nobody likes that. So you can end up not being able to sustain your brand identity because you lead with marketing and selling but you haven't built the capacity to deliver.
15:43:17 - 15:47:23
Jody Jacobson
Yeah. Then you degrade your brand, which is counterproductive.
15:48:07 - 15:53:15
Lauren Hong
You have people falling out on the back end, right? You aren’t able to keep clients and take really good care of your current clients.
15:53:18 - 16:15:14
Jody Jacobson
Exactly. Yep. I think about as a kid, I loved Aesop's Fables, especially the one about the tortoise and the hare because I always felt kind of like a tortoise. And with time management, what we're talking about is going slow and methodical on the front end because then you can go really fast.
16:15:15 - 16:17:21
Lauren Hong
That's right. That's exactly right.
16:17:23 - 16:33:11
Jody Jacobson
And so that's where all of this is. That's why it's important to know your own personal style, what works for you, what doesn't. Because what ends up happening is I see a lot of planners who are stressed. They're not sleeping enough. They go to work during the day. They take care of the kids in the evening.
16:33:11 - 16:57:23
Jody Jacobson
When their kids go to sleep, they go back to work. And so they're dreadfully sleep deprived. It creates more conflicts at work. Failure to grow because you're so busy fighting fires and dealing with the tyranny of the urgent that you never do the marketing. if you're a person who really doesn't like to do marketing.
16:57:25 - 17:38:02
Jody Jacobson
But there are a million reasons to do everything else first. Because for a lot of people, marketing is really scary, and it involves asking people. It involves having confidence to assert your worth and there's so many other issues. I see a lot of women who feel like if they partitioned their schedule and asked people to honor that, they've blocked off some back office time and specific client days they're going to be seen as the B-word and there are a lot of women in the industry who started as interns.
17:38:02 - 18:01:29
Jody Jacobson
So they have to change their own internal narrative about how they think about themselves. And it's so many other challenges. And so these really make it harder because they reinforce a lot of false beliefs about growth and productivity. We get stuck in that cycle of just put your nose to the grindstone and work harder and longer.
18:02:01 - 18:36:29
Jody Jacobson
It just doesn't work. So everybody who's listening knows where they get hung up. So if I didn't include you in that list, you know where you fit. So again, for people who really love what they do and spend a whole lot of time training and interning and all of that, it's sort of artificial to suggest there's a clear boundary between personal and professional.
18:37:02 - 19:17:01
Jody Jacobson
It's more about protecting your focus. It's more about learning how to stay focused on outcomes in a clear and compassionate way. And, so if, for example, if somebody needs your help, you don't have to drop everything that minute. It helps to set aside business hours, office hours or it's very helpful to say would it work for you to talk in half hour?
19:17:04 - 19:52:10
Jody Jacobson
So again, I just want to be clear, I see time management as an absolutely critical self-management skill that benefits you personally and professionally. It's a core skill. And if a person doesn't have the confidence to assert good, healthy boundaries around their time, chances are they're not asserting them around anything else.
19:54:17 - 20:08:00
Jody Jacobson
So did I answer your question about the personal and the professional?
20:08:02 - 20:24:22
Lauren Hong
Yes. So with that, though, you've got the personal, professional side of things. Are there any mindset tips you have either for how to best start your day, your week ahead? Just to be able to get into that because sometimes we get like this running start right where you have this plan in place.
20:24:28 - 20:42:11
Lauren Hong
We've blocked up time. We've done whatever fits right for us. Or maybe it's lessons learned from the past that seem to work really well. But how do you keep that momentum going? Sometimes it's really easy to have a great Monday through Wednesday, and then you’re just fried.
20:42:11 - 20:46:25
Lauren Hong
So what thoughts do you have around that?
20:46:28 - 20:58:21
Jody Jacobson
Well, that's a great example. So let's assume you're a person who typically has a whole lot of energy Monday or Tuesday. Wednesday. You've already identified…
20:58:24 - 20:59:15
Lauren Hong
…the challenge.
20:59:19 - 21:27:07
Jody Jacobson
Well, you could look at it as a challenge. You could also look at it as a strategy. Now if you are a person who has the most energy Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, then schedule your most creative tasks, your most challenging tasks on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. And then do what I affectionately call the picky yucky stuff on Thursday and Friday.
21:27:10 - 21:56:04
Jody Jacobson
Or if you find client meetings really energizing and it lifts you back up again, then make sure Thursday's client day, and if you do really well Monday through Thursday, maybe Friday can be a half day, or Friday can be if you're on a hybrid work schedule, work from home day.
21:56:04 - 22:22:23
Jody Jacobson
There's five steps to that. And you've already kind of given part of it away. The first step really is to know what to focus on and what not to focus on. And that comes from having a really good, thoughtful plan, a simple plan, not more than three to five goals.
22:23:12 - 22:49:28
Jody Jacobson
And ask yourself that so what question when you find yourself going off course. But it starts with being really clear about what you want to accomplish. And then the next step is being aware of your own patterns. I love to use the Thinking Styles inventory because some people are very visual and kinesthetic, like hands on and some people are more word and number kind of people.
22:50:01 - 23:35:27
Jody Jacobson
And having a calendaring system in your computer probably works better for one of those number and word people, whereas those of us who are more visual and tactile, good old-fashioned paper because out of sight is out of mind. I used to do a lot of ADHD coaching and if anybody listening either has permanent ADHD or temporary from being overwhelmed because you can have temporary symptoms of ADHD, having visual cues is very helpful, because if you're keeping track of so much, then truly out of sight is out of mind.
23:36:28 - 23:53:25
Jody Jacobson
Electronic systems don't work really well. And I would wager that a lot of people who've tuned in to the conversation about time management are people who need visual cues. I’ve been doing this a long time.
23:53:28 - 23:54:28
Lauren Hong
Interesting.
23:55:00 - 24:25:09
Jody Jacobson
So structure, calendar to support success. Plan around when you know you're going to have the most energy. I'm not a financial planner. But I really like preparing my taxes and doing my bookkeeping, and I'll save those things for Thursday, Friday, because I can do them with music on and do them sort of in the background.
24:25:09 - 24:30:08
Jody Jacobson
So there's a train. I don't know if you heard the train whistle in the background there.
24:30:10 - 24:32:11
Lauren Hong
No, no, I didn't hear it.
24:32:13 - 24:59:16
Jody Jacobson
And just have a good system. Translate that into your calendar. If other people can schedule time onto your calendar block off office hours. And communicate that to people. Because the client is just as happy being offered an appointment on a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday every other week. They don't know the difference, right?
24:59:21 - 25:21:01
Lauren Hong
Right, right. So just so I'm following, when you're saying a visual cue, you're literally saying a block on your calendar: this is my focus time. Or maybe you have things written down on your desk and you say I'm going to literally physically scratch this off.
25:21:01 - 25:29:00
Lauren Hong
But it's literally something where you're looking at it.
25:29:03 - 26:12:21
Jody Jacobson
That's helpful. It's something you can touch. Handwriting is good. It reinforces memory. And there was something else I was going to say about that. I'm a big proponent of weekly goals rather than daily goals. So when I work with a planner and they really want to get control of their time management, there seems to be an instinct to what tasks are on their calendar every hour of every day and be real detailed.
26:12:24 - 26:27:26
Jody Jacobson
I can tell you that, most of us, when it comes to time management, we have a little toddler in our brains. And if you map things out so specifically, the toddler is gonna have a bit of a temper tantrum and resist.
26:27:29 - 26:29:15
Lauren Hong
Yeah, that's fair.
26:29:17 - 26:33:07
Jody Jacobson
Because sometimes you just don't feel like doing what you need to.
26:33:09 - 26:55:14
Lauren Hong
You feel like you're force fed it. You don't want it. Yeah. Oh, if I get that tantrum, you're right. You've got to be able to tap into your energy for where you're at, and there's going to be unexpected things that happen. You might be battling a cold or just trying to push through. It's sort of a formula for I don't want to call it failure because you're thinking through your stuff but it's not necessarily setting you up for something that's maybe realistic.
26:57:27 - 27:28:01
Jody Jacobson
Yeah. Realistic is such a key way to keep this. So I love weekly goals. Write them down. The rule is no more than five of them. Most goals are actually projects. So chunk out the tasks for each goal and listeners are welcome to email me. Jody at Jodyjacobson.com.
27:28:03 - 27:56:16
Jody Jacobson
And I'd be happy to send you some of my planning grids. And if people want to sign up to have a 30-minute conversation about how to apply this to them specifically, we can do that. So I use and and I encourage my clients to set weekly goals.
27:56:18 - 28:18:13
Jody Jacobson
So then you ask, okay, so what happens? How do I translate that into every day? So if you've blocked your schedule off to allow project time, what you can do each day is look at your weekly goals and say, what do I feel like doing today.
28:18:15 - 28:21:19
Lauren Hong
I love that approach.
28:21:19 - 28:23:04
Jody Jacobson
What do I have to do today?
28:23:05 - 28:39:17
Lauren Hong
I'm taking that approach of answering the question like this week will be successful if dot dot dot. And then you have a few big projects and to answer your piece of it is like okay, there's obviously going to be some sort of priority order but it allows you to kind of structure it out.
28:39:17 - 28:57:21
Lauren Hong
I'm also a big fan of time blocking and then to have that flexibility. I remember there was another CEO we worked with who made the comment, I feel like my schedule is like a street sidewalk in New York. Everybody's just walking all over it and taking up time and everything. I just got to block off stuff.
28:57:21 - 29:15:21
Lauren Hong
Because when you have that white space, it's so energizing. And then you can really feel like you had a productive use of time versus dabbling in a little bit of here and there and just what did I even do today? So I really appreciate those recommendations.
29:17:12 - 29:30:03
Lauren Hong
And sort of the follow up question, well, what happens if it's Friday and you haven't gotten half your list done?
29:27:20 - 29:30:03
Lauren Hong
Roll it over to next week?
29:30:05 - 29:52:03
Jody Jacobson
You can roll over some of it. But here's the thing that happens when you have weekly goals. Some people are early starters and some people are deadline driven. The Myers-Briggs is great for identifying that.
29:52:03 - 29:53:06
Lauren Hong
It nuances that part of it.
29:53:06 - 30:13:26
Jody Jacobson
And so if you're an early starter, you're probably one of those people who is gonna get really important stuff done at the beginning of the week. If you are deadline driven, you need the adrenaline to get through it. So you get the stuff done that has time constraints.
30:13:29 - 30:31:08
Jody Jacobson
If somebody needs something from you by Tuesday, you make sure you get it done on Monday. But if you reach Friday and there's still stuff on your list that has to get done this week that can't roll over till next week, adrenaline comes in.
30:31:09 - 30:35:03
Lauren Hong
Yep. It's then ignite. Push.
30:35:05 - 30:52:14
Jody Jacobson
Yeah. So there's a wonderful quote I love, Oliver Wendell Holmes. I think the fear of being shot in a fortnight focuses the mind beautifully, or something like that. And some of us need that to get it done.
30:52:17 - 31:10:14
Lauren Hong
I'm so glad we pointed that out. And I also appreciate the awareness of the nuances to be able to help guide individuals you're working with down a path so they can really focus their time and efforts in a meaningful way that works for them versus trying to sort of plug and play.
31:12:04 - 31:31:02
Lauren Hong
Goodness. So many good insights. Really also appreciate the stories you shared about advisors and just some of the common challenges they come into and the whys, and then just some good tips about how to be able to both create mindset but then strategies, some quick takeaways for how to think about managing time.
31:31:02 - 31:41:15
Lauren Hong
So any final thoughts for those who are listening where can they learn more? Appreciate you sharing that email but any other final thoughts we haven't covered or what have you?
31:41:18 - 32:09:15
Jody Jacobson
Well, you know, I think we've covered a whole lot of ground. I would say that many of us have a habit. Especially women. But there are a lot of men who do this — also taking care of everybody else's needs first. And those of us who enjoy helping our clients can struggle with that because we're all about helping.
32:09:15 - 32:47:15
Jody Jacobson
And sometimes it's easier to see what other people need more than it is to see what we need. So our comfort place can be in sort of other rating. And so I recommend getting in the habit of doing a stop action and putting on your own oxygen mask first. I know that's sort of cliche but the thing is, if you stress out from overwhelm, you can't really be fully present to your kids, to your partner, to your colleagues, to your clients.
32:47:18 - 33:27:04
Jody Jacobson
And so, taking care of yourself first is not selfish. And if there's any message I would say having healthy boundaries is actually a courageous act. It helps you help yourself and help others the most. And so if you view time management really as having those having really healthy boundaries, and you have practices around it, it's really a mindfulness practice.
33:27:22 - 33:57:08
Jody Jacobson
I'm more of a science background, so I don't like to bring in words that seem a little woowoo but mindfulness is neurological. It's a neurological fact that our brains can be redirected. And time management is a fabulous practice. You can master your time management, you can master anything. It's so fundamental.
33:57:10 - 34:28:27
Jody Jacobson
And that's really the key, the key takeaway. So I just want to offer up again that I didn't set up a page with a link you can go to to download the tips I have because then you end up on a mailing list and one of the things I tell people when they're managing their time is to unsubscribe from as many mailing lists as they possibly can.
34:29:00 - 34:55:26
Jody Jacobson
And I'm sorry. But get it out of there because it's all designed to make you feel like you're doing something wrong. Most of it is pain based. And nobody really has the right answer for you except you. And so really good coaching helps you access things that are already there.
34:55:26 - 35:24:10
Jody Jacobson
Except you're so busy doing other things, you can't access them, or you're so focused on other people you feel like it's selfish to look inside. So I would invite you to send me an email. It's my personal email, Jody at Jodyjacobson.com, and I'll send you some tips. And I can send you some forms, and you can change them around to work best for you.
35:24:12 - 35:34:04
Jody Jacobson
And then if you'd like to get on the phone for 30 minutes, I would be absolutely delighted to help you with strategies on how to make this stuff work for you.
35:34:06 - 35:56:21
Lauren Hong
Wonderful, Jody. Thank you so much. So many great insights. I also really appreciate your closing thoughts, especially about how time management really takes courage. It's one of our values at Out & About. And leaning into that. I really agree with you. It's really being able to stand up for what's important for you, for your family, for your time, for your own well-being.
35:56:23 - 36:02:06
Lauren Hong
And ultimately that has a ripple effect into all the other things you're doing. So thank you again.
36:02:08 - 36:24:22
Jody Jacobson
Well, thank you so much. And, I mentioned before we got started on the recording that you ask great questions. And I think it's clear to everybody here that your podcasts are really important because you're asking great questions, which helps people like me to share information more effectively. So thank you very much.
36:24:25 - 36:28:10
Lauren Hong
Well, I appreciate the kind words. And thank you again for your time.
36:28:12 - 36:33:10
Jody Jacobson
My pleasure.
